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Paul Friedrich
11-02-2006, 12:34 PM
What is the likelihood of this proposal becoming reality?

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Thursday, November 2, 2006
Vol. 8 No. 219
In Today's Letter:
Comment: Permission to Leave the U.S.?
Sovereignty: The Fences Between Us
Wealth: Con Artists At the Central Banks
Now You Need Permission to
Exit or Enter the Country?


Today's comment is by Mark Nestmann, our Wealth Preservation & Tax Consultant and President of The Nestmann Group.

Dear A-Letter Reader:

Forget no-fly lists. If Uncle Sam gets its way, beginning on Jan. 14, 2007, we'll all be on no-fly lists, unless the government gives us permission to leave-or re-enter-the United States.

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security (HSA) has proposed that all airlines, cruise lines-even fishing boats-be required to obtain clearance for each passenger they propose taking into or out of the United States.

It doesn't matter if you have a U.S. passport-a “travel document” that now, absent a court order to the contrary, gives you a virtually unqualified right to enter or leave the United States, any time you want. When the DHS system comes into effect next January, if the agency says “no” to a clearance request, or doesn't answer the request at all, you won't be permitted to enter-or leave-the United States.

Consider what might happen if you're a U.S. passport holder on assignment in a country like Saudi Arabia. Your visa is about to expire, so you board your flight back to the United States. But wait! You can't get on, because you don't have permission from the HSA. Saudi immigration officials are on hand to escort you to a squalid detention center, where you and others who are now effectively “stateless persons” are detained, potentially indefinitely, until their immigration status is sorted out.

Why might the HSA deny you permission to leave-or enter-the United States? No one knows, because the entire clearance procedure would be an administrative determination made secretly, with no right of appeal. Naturally, the decision would be made without a warrant, without probable cause and without even any particular degree of suspicion. Basically, if the HSA decides it doesn't like you, you're a prisoner-either outside, or inside, the United States, whether or not you hold a U.S. passport.

The U.S. Supreme Court has long recognized there is a constitutional right to travel internationally. Indeed, it has declared that the right to travel is "a virtually unconditional personal right." The United States has also signed treaties guaranteeing “freedom of travel.” So if these regulations do go into effect, you can expect a lengthy court battle, both nationally and internationally.

Think this can't happen? Think again…it's ALREADY happening. Earlier this year, HSA forbade airlines from transporting an 18-year-old native-born U.S. citizen, back to the United States. The prohibition lasted nearly six months until it was finally lifted a few weeks ago.

Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union are two countries in recent history that didn't allow their citizens to travel abroad without permission. If these regulations go into effect, you can add the United States to this list.

For more information on this proposed regulation, see http://hasbrouck.org/IDP/IDP-APIS-comments.pdf .

BYOFT
11-02-2006, 01:38 PM
It is horrifying. Is there any credence to this?

Paul Friedrich
11-02-2006, 05:19 PM
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It is horrifying. Is there any credence to this?
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I don't know. This was the first I've heard of this and posted it to see if anyone else knew anything about it.

clarkef
11-12-2006, 01:48 AM
I am very skeptical for a couple of reasons


I did a seach on the internet and this article was the ONLY discussion about this subject anywhere. The exact article was posted again and again. The lack of corroboration is troubling.
It was not posted in any respectable news site. It was only on various blogs which were all clearly agenda driven.
It doesn't pass the smell test. American citizens cannot be prevented from entering the United States. Plain and simple. The concept of being stateless is something that the Supreme Court has address and is a very serious matter. I doubt if an adminstrative agency has the power to effectively render someone stateless.
The link is to a comment not the original HSA proposal.Just mu $0.02

Ned
11-12-2006, 10:49 PM
I am very skeptical for a couple of reasons
I did a seach on the internet and this article was the ONLY discussion about this subject anywhere. The exact article was posted again and again. The lack of corroboration is troubling.
It was not posted in any respectable news site. It was only on various blogs which were all clearly agenda driven.
It doesn't pass the smell test. American citizens cannot be prevented from entering the United States. Plain and simple. The concept of being stateless is something that the Supreme Court has address and is a very serious matter. I doubt if an adminstrative agency has the power to effectively render someone stateless.
The link is to a comment not the original HSA proposal.Just mu $0.02Clarke, you are right to be skeptical. In my opinion this article is a fraudulant purposeful overreach and distortion of the proposed rules for Homeland Security's on submitting and screening the manifest of planes and cruise lines prior to entering the US to screen them against terrorist lists.

What they're talking about is in the Federal Register: July 14, 2006, Proposed Rules: Air Commerce and Vessels in Foreign and Domestic Trades: Passengers, crew members, and non-crew members traveling onboard international commercial flights and voyages: electronic manifest transmission requirements 40035-40048.