Those pesky carry-on suitcases

[Robohobo]

By the user name you can see that I may travel a bit. I work in service for a company that does industrial robotics, so I have occassion to move about a lot.



You know those roll along small suitcases ubiquitous within the airline world these days? You have seem them, the ones flight attendants started to use years ago and then everyone decided they were a good idea.



I have a suggestion. To make it easier for those of us who choose not to use them, please check the damn things into the luggage hold. Are you really in that much of a hurry or that important that you simply MUST run from the flight/airport?



I recently was on a flight and had loaded my briefcase/laptop/carry-on into the overhead. A woman with one of those things came by, asked me to move my stuff so she could put her suitcase above my head (there were no seats in that area for her) and then I would have to sit the entire flight without enough foot room, just for her convenience so she would not have to check it. As is my perogative, I said "No". This spoiled little twerp blew up and called me the ******* and went off about me in quite lurid terms.



It was my choice to not move my belongings.



The Hobo

[Flysome]

Ummm... why don't you check your luggage?

[Guest2]

The reason that I do NOT check my suitcase is because it seldom turns out good. I have flown over one million miles in the last 20 years. In that time I have checked my suitcase about 20 times. The results were:



serious damage 3 times

delayed baggage 7 times (once delayed three days by BA)

[Flysome]

Same reason applies to the millions of others that fly, as well. We all pay for our space on the plane. We all have the same right to that space, whether we put our luggage there first, or not. As you are well aware, we also have the choice to check our luggage or not. Also, if the passenger asked you to move your stuff to below the seat in front of you, she would just be repeating what the flight attendants ask when they ask for us to put our smaller carry-on item under the seat in front of us, leaving enough room for the larger carry-ons in the over-head bins.

[Anonymous]

There should be no 'large' carry on's period. There is a reason why the plane has a cargo/baggage hold. You should only bring on things you need to access DURING the flight. That is what carry on baggage is for - not to save 5-20 minutes at baggage claim.





Using your argument - you 'bought' that space in the carry on bin. Why would anyone in their right mind want to move it to inconvenience themselves for such an inconsiderate tart?





Of course the orginator of this message seems to be a carry on fiend himself, so I wonder what his point is. ;)





Originally posted by Flysome
Same reason applies to the millions of others that fly, as well. *We all pay for our space on the plane. *We all have the same right to that space, whether we put our luggage there first, or not. *As you are well aware, we also have the choice to check our luggage or not. *Also, if the passenger asked you to move your stuff to below the seat in front of you, she would just be repeating what the flight attendants ask when they ask for us to put our smaller carry-on item under the seat in front of us, leaving enough room for the larger carry-ons in the over-head bins.

[Flysome]

Carry-ons are indeed limited to a particular size. There are some that are smaller and some that are "larger", as was stated... not "large". As such we are asked to put the smaller ones under the seat leaving enough room for the "larger" ones.



Why would anyone want to inconvenience themselves for an inconsiderate tart?? I'm not too sure if there are any reasons. :?



I would have an entirely different view on this if the original poster checked his own luggage... and then the tart asked him if she could put her luggage under the seat in front of him.

[DCTravelAgent]

Whoa...wait a minute. The Poster carried on one bag - as can anyone. He has as much right to put it overhead as anyone else. I would never ask someone take their stuff out of the overhead so I can get mine in! If s/he has more than allowed, then the FA can ask/demand it. But in this case?



I have to say that nothing annoys me more than someone who insists on putting their bags in the front of cabin overheads when they are going to sit way back. What's that about? The overheads are for the people sitting under them, not for the people sitting 20 rows back. I've seen a lot of people do this - then they aren't inconvenienced by having to roll their bag up and down the aisle!

[Flysome]

Yes, the poster did have a right to carry on a bag and put it in the overhead bin, just like everyone else, including the tart. It was also inexcusable that the tart asked for him to remove it. Unfortunately, the passengers that get on the plane later have fewer open bin spaces to choose from. Often, the overhead bins that are left are not directly overhead, but may be a few rows away.



I do not like that the tart asked him to put his smaller carry-on under the seat... since the flight attendant was about to ask anyway during the pre-flight instructions (technically I'm not totally sure this is what happened, I can only infer from his post that this is what she asked... it's a little fuzzy). But, as was said, they all had the right to a carry-on and did not have to check their luggage (as was suggested that needed to happen in the first post).

[jetblue fan]

Originally posted by Flysome
Also, if the passenger asked you to move your stuff to below the seat in front of you, she would just be repeating what the flight attendants ask when they ask for us to put our smaller carry-on item under the seat in front of us, leaving enough room for the larger carry-ons in the over-head bins.

It certainly is not fair that a considerate person with a small carry-on (like a tote bag) be bullied into placing it under the seat just so someone with a large carry-on can stow his overhead. If that happened all the time, a considerate person like me would be persuaded to bring a large carry-on to ensure my legroom!



But i fly mostly jetblue and the flight attendants will often do some rearranging and switching to accommodate the big pieces. And they'll politely tell you if they're relocating your stuff to another part of the plane. Sometimes, they even get it out for you and bring it to you once the plane lands.

[susanliber]

I usually have a back pack and my purse - or a carry on the size of my back pack - which is not a large one.....I usually put it under the seat in front of me - so I can put my feet on it - I am short. Even though I rarely use the overhead bins, I see all the stuff that people bring on and stuff into there! I am always amazed....just like watching the women in their stilletto heels walking around the airport......I saw one person get on the plane with 3 carry ones! And the flight attendant did not say a word. I know waiting for the luggage is a pain....the last flight I was on it took 45 minutes for the luggage to start to come out....but wouldn't these people rather be comfortable squeezed into this small space!! ?? :?:

[jfrenaye]

I regularly sit with my overhead bag stowed rows in front of me for two reasons...



1. If it is crowded, it might get moved, and if I can have it in front of me, I can watch it. Do not let you r bag be behind you especially on a redeye or long haul flight. Thieves look for that stuff and when your bag is behind you, you cannot see it.



2. It makes it easier to deplane for me. I get out of the seat, wrestle my way to the aisle, and when we finally start moving, I can walk past, snatch the bag and keep on going.



To me it makes it easier, but I am also sure that logistically, I am a pain in the ass!

[onelove]

Not all pax with large carry-ons are just looking for a bit of convinience and a quick exit at the end of a flight



I travel with the largest allowable roll-on and a large Haliburton briefcase and I always carry them on. I am carrying well over $30,000 worth of very delicate equipment. If anything happened to my gear or it came up missing I would be out of business.



If I was told that I had to check it through I would be forced by both practicality and my insurance company to leave the plane and not fly.



Fortunately, I have enough status with my carrier that even if I don't get an upgrade I still get to board first so that I can be sure of overhead space near my seat .(I am required by my insurer to have direct control of my bags at all times)



I know other people that routinely carry jewelry and gems valued in the 6 or 7 figures and have similar requirements from their insurers.



So please be aware that some people do not have the ability to check their bags. I actually wish I had the *luxury* of checking my bags.



onelove

[summergirl825]

I try to take as little as possible with me on the plane. It is disconcerting to see people lugging all this luggage on the plane...not only does it take up a lot of space it takes forever to get people on board the plane. But I do see the other side as well, if you have expensive items you need to take them on board, I know I would.

[sardine]

For starters, why don't the Airlines begin to enforce carry-on size restrictions? :angry:



My daughter was delayed, for quite some time, on a connecting flight because a person with a very large carry-on decided that it would expedite his trip down the aisle if he carried this large bag over his head. Unfortunately for eveyone on this full flight, he ripped an exit sign right out of the ceiling of the aircraft! :huh: The airline had to put everyone on another plane, after they found one!



Re: Carry-On Luggage -- SIZE DOES MATTER! :P

[ajaynejr]

Moderator: Please change the title of this thread to "Those pesky spoiled twerps, inconsiderate tarts, and shrews"

Originally posted by onelove@Jun 29 2005, 12:09 AM
I travel with the largest allowable roll-on and a large Haliburton briefcase and I always carry them on.ÂÂ* I am carrying well over $30,000 worth of very delicate equipment.ÂÂ* If anything happened to my gear or it came up missing I would be out of business.
If I was told that I had to check it through I would be forced by both practicality and my insurance company to leave the plane and not fly.
I am required by my insurer to have direct control of my bags at all times)
I know other people that routinely carry jewelry and gems valued in the 6 or 7 figures and have similar requirements from their insurers.
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The airline's own brochure says, "don't put valuables in checked baggage".
With this in mind, if the airline is unable to accommodate your properly sized carry-on baggage in the passenger compartment, the airline is still obligated to use its best efforts to transport you including on a different flight with no additional fare or fee charged.

Travel tips:
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[SemiFreqFlyer]

For speed and convenience on a one or two day biz trip I used to never check a bag. One rainy night in ATL it took Delta longer to get the bag to the carosel than the flight took. Do that once and you swear to never check a bag again.

Bad luggage handling forced prople to carry on as much as possible, then restrictions forced people to check their newly declared "forbidden items." Sigh.

I am in a technical field and carry lots of tools and instruments. Used to carry on unbelieveable stuff, but it was all allowed. After the 9/11 TCA rules showed up, I went through my carry on and "deweaponized" it by taking out all the stuff I used to take but was now forbidden. There went about 1/3 of my suitcase, so I have to check my tools now.

For vacations and overseas flights I try to never check a bag. Two reasons.

First, if the flight is overbooked and they have to buy off a voluntary bump with a later first class flight, even to another city, I am in a position to take it and not worry about where my checked bags go. That is true vacation flying.

Most important is returning from overseas. In other countries like Singapore or Thailand, they have large customs and immigration sections that process people FAST and efficiently.

Coming home is another matter. Even one 747 dumps more people than the lines can handle in immigration, and customs is worse. I dread ever arriving with several planes simultaneously dumping 2000 patrons at once.

Then there is the wait for your bag and then go to customs. What takes 10 minutes in Singapore is well over an hour in Detroit. I will not schedule a connecting flight returning thru DTW or LAX without at least 3 to 4 hours until my domestic connection home. If the headwinds are higher than expected, the plane is 1/2 hour late, then traffic can delay a few more minutes, then minimum 1.5 hours for immigration and customs, then dash to the next plane. 3 hours minimum on a good day, but the airline computer will schedule your domestic connection 1 hour after your Tokyo plane lands. Does anyone who works at an airline ever ride their own airline? Apparently not.

Unless all I have is carry on. No waiting for your bags. While everyone else is watching that empty black belt go round, four other smart travelers and I are walking thru the empty turnstyles at customs. A pit stop and wander thru the gift shop and I can make a connection before the rest of the plane gets thru the two customs lines. Yes I said two. I think it was DTW with only one plane arriving, everyone got their checked bags and the TWO customs agents backed up a line that went completely around one carosel and half way around another. A surreal sight. I think they did it to line up everyone, as the food sniffing beagle had an easy time sniffing all the bags. (Another story-- damn, that dog is Good at what he does).

You'll see me on your next flight: Maxed out with the allowable limit of carry on, placing my roller in the overhead two seats in front of mine to make a walking grab easy on the way out.

[Lynn]

I wish the airline gate and counter personnel would enforce the carry-on rules, it seems they do for some but not all. A few years ago we were on our way to a meeting in Vegas and were traveling thru Atlanta where we encountered a flight delay....of several hours. Once we were finally told that we could begin boarding an announcement was made that the flight was full therefore carry-on storage was going to be limited so please gate check items if they were large or oversized. We were behind a young Japanese couple who each had on very large backpacks, a rolling suitcase and each had a large, clear plastic bag containing crocheted afghan throws. The gate and flight attendants looked at it all, rolled their eyes but did nothing. Well low and behold they ended up sitting behind us....guess where they had put the bags with the throws? Yep, in the overhead that was over our bulkhead seats. They watched and snickered when we opened the compartment.....I checked the others around us and not one spare space was available. I pulled out their throws, smiled and handed both to them, put our luggage up, closed the bin and sat down. There was a flurry of Japanese exchanged between them, I looked at the flight attendant who had witnessed the event, she was trying to control her laughter. Once she had regained control she took the bags and gate checked them.

[mercwyn]

Several years I was flying home from Phoenix on America West after a short weekend getaway. The flight was completely sold out and as we were boarding we were told that we could only have one carry on and that anything in excess of that would have to be gate checked. So I gate checked my garment bag and carried my camera bag onboard. Everyone had been seated and settled in when the pilot announced that we were going to be delayed a couple of minutes while they waited for some connecting passengers When these 3 people finally boarding they each had full sized backpacks, as well as day packs. Two of them received bulkhead middle seats and so they didn't have anywhere to put their stuff. The FA came by and saw that they couldn't stow their bags and turned to those of us in the next row and asked if we would mind putting their bags under the seat in front of us! I said that I didn't think I would be able to assist with that since I needed somewhere to put my feet and I already had a bag there. I also suggested to the FA that it would have been a good idea to have had the back packs gate checked like everyone else had done.

To me this was a failure on the part of America West to control their passengers. I realize that because they were late connecting that the baggage hold was probably locked up and ready to go. However I don't believe that the other customers should have to suffer for this decision to wait for these folks.

[Skipster]

I like John's tip regarding stowing bags ahead of you, in order to keep an eye on them. That's an excellent idea; I should have thought of that one myself.

I do my level best never to check a bag for three reasons:

* Pilferage by airline employees and TSA staff.

* The airline loses my bags. I make a point of including a copy of my itinerary (including cell/hotel phone numbers) in case I have to gate check a bag, but when flying offline airlines the risk of someone misplacing my bags increases geometrically.

* I have worked in bagwells at the airport and have seen how callously the bag agents treat bags. Even when it's easier and faster to place a bag on a belt, they'll raise it above their head and drop it. It's almost as if they want to see how many of the bag's contents they can break. Hey, what did that bag ever do to them?

I carry a 22" and a bookbag and can always find room for them. The only time I've had to gate check a bag is when I'm one of the last passengers boarding an oversold flight and the preceeding passengers have abused the carryon rule and/or size restrictions.

[Annette]

Originally posted by jfrenaye@Jun 28 2005, 08:52 PM
I regularly sit with my overhead bag stowed rows in front of me for two reasons...
<snip>To me it makes it easier, but I am also sure that logistically, I am a pain in the ass!
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John,

You know I respect you, but I have to say that this is one of the things that irritates me about airline travel. If I'm in row 12 and there's no room above my seat because someone in row 17 has put their stuff there, then that's irritating. It also means that I then have to look for a spot to put my stuff, which most often ends up being several rows behind where I'm sitting thus necessitating that I wait until virtually everyone is off the aircraft before I can retrieve my carryon.

This is why, when advance seat selection is available, I always sit at the back of the plane whenever possible. I've never had a problem finding room for my carryon at the back of the plane.

[Guest]

Hey, I got a great idea, let's all stop checking our baggage so we can all be smart (inconsiderate) travelers like you.

If you don't like airline service, take the bus - even overseas.

You are the type of traveler I like to see get hit on the head by his own carry on. But since you are more inconsiderate then the usual carry on fiend and place it several rows ahead of you I will never have the satisfaction.

Since you are also most the stereo type of what 90% of travelers hate one has to wonder if your posting is a put on. Do you rent a screaming baby to bring with you too? Or a ten year old who kicks the seat in front of him like he is trying out for the national football team the entire trip?


Originally posted by SemiFreqFlyer@Jul 18 2005, 01:16 PM
For speed and convenience on a one or two day biz trip I used to never check a bag.* One rainy night in ATL it took Delta longer to get the bag to the carosel than the flight took.* Do that once and you swear to never check a bag again.

Bad luggage handling forced prople to carry on as much as possible, then restrictions forced people to check their newly declared "forbidden items."* Sigh.

I am in a technical field and carry lots of tools and instruments.* Used to carry on unbelieveable stuff, but it was all allowed.* After the 9/11 TCA rules showed up, I went through my carry on and "deweaponized" it by taking out all the stuff I used to take but was now forbidden.* There went about 1/3 of my suitcase, so I have to check my tools now.

For vacations and overseas flights I try to never check a bag.* Two reasons.

First, if the flight is overbooked and they have to buy off a voluntary bump with a later first class flight, even to another city, I am in a position to take it and not worry about where my checked bags go.* That is true vacation flying.

Most important is returning from overseas.* In other countries like Singapore or Thailand, they have large customs and immigration sections that process people FAST and efficiently.

Coming home is another matter.* Even one 747 dumps more people than the lines can handle in immigration, and customs is worse.* I dread ever arriving with several planes simultaneously dumping 2000 patrons at once.

Then there is the wait for your bag and then go to customs.* What takes 10 minutes in Singapore is well over an hour in Detroit.* I will not schedule a connecting flight returning thru DTW or LAX without at least 3 to 4 hours until my domestic connection home.* If the headwinds are higher than expected, the plane is 1/2 hour late, then traffic can delay a few more minutes, then minimum 1.5 hours for immigration and customs, then dash to the next plane.* 3 hours minimum on a good day, but the airline computer will schedule your domestic connection 1 hour after your Tokyo plane lands.* Does anyone who works at an airline ever ride their own airline?* Apparently not.

Unless all I have is carry on.* No waiting for your bags.* While everyone else is watching that empty black belt go round, four other smart travelers and I are walking thru the empty turnstyles at customs.* A pit stop and wander thru the gift shop and I can make a connection before the rest of the plane gets thru the two customs lines.* Yes I said two.* I think it was DTW with only one plane arriving, everyone got their checked bags and the TWO customs agents backed up a line that went completely around one carosel and half way around another.* A surreal sight. I think they did it to line up everyone, as the food sniffing beagle had an easy time sniffing all the bags. (Another story-- damn, that dog is Good at what he does).

You'll see me on your next flight:* Maxed out with the allowable limit of carry on, placing my roller in the overhead two seats in front of mine to make a walking grab easy on the way out.
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[Guest]

Originally posted by onelove@Jun 29 2005, 12:09 AM
Not all pax with large carry-ons are just looking for a bit of convinience and a quick exit at the end of a flight
I travel with the largest allowable roll-on and a large Haliburton briefcase and I always carry them on.* I am carrying well over $30,000 worth of very delicate equipment.* If anything happened to my gear or it came up missing I would be out of business.
If I was told that I had to check it through I would be forced by both practicality and my insurance company to leave the plane and not fly.
Fortunately, I have enough status with my carrier that even if I don't get an upgrade I still get to board first so that I can be sure of overhead space near my seat .(I am required by my insurer to have direct control of my bags at all times)
I know other people that routinely carry jewelry and gems valued in the 6 or 7 figures and have similar requirements from their insurers.
So please be aware that some people do not have the ability to check their bags.* I actually wish I had the *luxury* of checking my bags.
onelove
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Very true. Not every piece of luggage can be safely checked. I'm an attorney and sometimes have to fly to meet clients and attend court. I simply cannot check my client's file. Should the airline lose the baggage, even for a few hours, my trip woulds be wasted, I would have to explain to the judge why I wasn't prepared with the proper documentation for the court hearing, and I might very well lose the client.

It seems to me that as long as the passenger's bag is within the size limit accepted for carry on by that carrier, they have as much right to bring it aboard as anyone else.

[Love2snorkel]

Good for you. I wouldn't have moved my laptop either. That person should have boarded early like you did to find space for their crap.... instead of trying to cram it in with your things.

Here is my beef about the carry on pigs of the world!

I work as a cocktail waitress in the Honolulu International Airport, and let me tell you, trying to sling drinks with bags constantly in my way is a major occupational hazard. Especially with dark colored bags and the dim lights of the bars.

Every day we see them rolling on in.....mobs of people with way more than can possibly be legal to have as carry-on luggage, hogging up every possible inch of walking space. I have tripped over SEVERAL bags that either fall into the isles because they are top heavy, or are just placed in the isles with disregard.

I just LOVE IT when people hog up two or more tables just for their bags and set up camp for a five or more hour layover. I think that because the airlines are cutting back to 50 lbs pr bag max and are charging surcharges for additional checked weight, people try to cram as much crap as possible into their into their carry on bags to save money. These are the same tight wads who book the latest possible flight after a cruise ten hours later just to get the cheapest fare, and end up spending the difference at the airport...while blaming their travel agents for making them wait all day long....*****ing at me about it....with bags scattered and all.....

Should we install overhead compartments in the bars for the bag hogs so we don't trip over their crap? I just love it when people wheel in their gigantic carts in and park them right in the middle of our isles, leaving us with nowhere to walk.

The same rule applies for strollers. I love babies just as much as the next person, but please do not park your stroller in the middle of the isle so we cannot walk. Fire codes people!! I do not want to be the cart police, I simply want to get by with my drinks. I know that after 9/11 there is no where for your things, but perhaps checking some of it or traveling a little lighter might help. And just because we have electrical outlets doesn't mean that you can just plug in and charge your phones and laptops and string your chords across the isles. My pregnant tummy makes it harder to see.

We don't fly thru the air with the greatest of ease, trays of drinks and food, please! Agile, I am, but a circus ballerina, I'm not. Triplet step jetes with martinis to slosh? No one would leave a bunch of crap in the isles at Outback Steakhouse or at Claim Jumper. And I am not Mrs. Super-stretch. My arm is only of average length. If your bag is to fall, should I be the one, to wrench my back?

So, be a hog. But please be understanding when you wind up with drinks and food, or even ME in your lap!! :D ;) :P

[jnejman]

This person is lucky to even fly on a plane that allows them to carry on the roller bag. Since I live in Cleveland, almost all the Continental planes I fly are ERJ's. The largest thing you can fit into the overhead bin is a small briefcase. No roller bags on those planes. They all get gate checked. I'm lucky enough to be elite and I can board the plane first too. So, at least I can get my computer case above my head. I do however check my small suitcase. It's just too much trouble to travel through the airport with more than the computer case for me. :)

[shelly59]

The loss of leg room is the biggest issue here, for me anyway. When there is something large-ish under the seat in front of me, well I have arthritis in both knees, not terrible mind you, but such that a several hour flight with my legs jammed under my seat because there is no room in front of me is painful. I just flew to Paris that way, and it was no fun. Unless I went for a stroll around the plane I was unable to unflex my legs. It wasn't even my bag. THAT was in the overhead over my seat. I asked the flight attendant and the person in front of me to help, but it was a full flight and the overheads were JAMMED.

Now, I agree that we are all entitled to overhead space. It just seems that some people take complete advantage of this, taking "their" space, and any space they can grab as well, theirs, mine or yours, makes no difference. Further, I should NOT have to wait till everyone is off the plane to be able to access MY stuff just because it is more convenient for YOU to put YOUR stuff forward of you in "MY" space. Why are YOU more important/entitled/special and than I? <_<

Anyway, it seems to me that it comes down to showing courtesy to fellow passengers. To think of someone else as well as yourself ^_^ IS that too much to ask?

[missalf]

Just remember, everyone, that no matter how valuable that carry on item you may well be forced to check it.

Happened to me and when I took my complaint to the FAA and the TSA and the airline I got "so sorry but that's how it is" replies.

And that means if you're in a bulkhead that even small carry-ons can be refused.

I posted all the details about this a month or so ago, but trust me, you are not assured ANY carryon space, period.

[tdew]

Should we install overhead compartments in the bars for the bag hogs so we don't trip over their crap? I just love it when people wheel in their gigantic carts in and park them right in the middle of our isles, leaving us with nowhere to walk.

Not necessarily Overhead bins, but there must be some way to provide a spot for the carry-ons so they won't be in the way. Maybe someone could design High seats that would allow things to be placed underneath them? OR Maybe everyone should carry chains and locks and have a designated space to lock them up? Of course it would have to be in full view - and would also have to be close to the people it belonged to....

A group of people traveling together is going to have what seems like a mountain of bags. However, each person may have just one - but because they want to sit together, all of those bags have to stay with one group.

There is no way that valuables and electronic gadgets can be put into checked bags and feel that it is reasonable. Air France once sent me a note after my bag was mislaid - and told me that my bag had been opened and "dangerous items" had been removed. The items that were removed were 4 silk scarves that I'd purchased as presents!

Why not see if you can come up with a solution to the problem? Or - there are a few other restaurants in Honolulu that you could work in that are not in the airport?

[ajaynejr]

Originally posted by missalf@Aug 9 2005, 07:17 AM
Just remember, everyone, that no matter how valuable that carry on item you may well be forced to check it.

Happened to me and when I took my complaint to the FAA and the TSA and the airline I got "so sorry but that's how it is"ÂÂ* replies.

And that means if you're in a bulkhead that even small carry-ons can be refused.

I posted all the details about this a month or so ago, but trust me, you are not assured ANY carryon space, period.
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I beg to differ.

Whether your opinion or my opinion prevails will ultimately be decided in a courtroom, although passenger and airline may mutually agree to decide it in an airplane, in a jetway, in an airport gate area, at a security checkpoint or at a ticket counter.
Originally posted by mercwyn@Jul 20 2005, 06:00 PM
...the pilot announced that we were going to be delayed a couple of minutes while they waited for some connecting passengers* When these 3 people finally boarding they each had full sized backpacks, as well as day packs.* Two of them received bulkhead middle seats and so they didn't have anywhere to put their stuff.* The FA came by and saw that they couldn't stow their bags and turned to those of us in the next row and asked if we would mind putting their bags under the seat in front of us!
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You could have said yes but also they give you the bulkhead seat and they sit with the luggage in front of them.

[toskalynn]

Originally posted by Annette@Jul 22 2005, 01:27 PM
John,

You know I respect you, but I have to say that this is one of the things that irritates me about airline travel.* If I'm in row 12 and there's no room above my seat because someone in row 17 has put their stuff there, then that's irritating.* It also means that I then have to look for a spot to put my stuff, which most often ends up being several rows behind where I'm sitting thus necessitating that I wait until virtually everyone is off the aircraft before I can retrieve my carryon.

This is why, when advance seat selection is available, I always sit at the back of the plane whenever possible.* I've never had a problem finding room for my carryon at the back of the plane.
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[toskalynn]

This is one of the great problems with modern air travel. We are herded in like cattle and insist on taking as much as possible with is in an attempt to minimize the possibility of loss. We have made this mess ourselves with the demand for inexpensive travel. Something must be cut somewhere. I, too have taken only carry-on or short trips and have at other times taken as little as possible. Two things that are not going in the hold EVER are my jewelry and medication. Not gonna happen.

As far as someone asking you to move your items from overhead storage, I cut a deal with a gentleman who boarded after the space was taken by others. I offered to move my bag from overhead if he would put it under his seat. My seat was on the aisle and therefore narrower. It was a win-win and everyone was happy. Try being creatively cooperative and most often, all will be fine.

[lameline]

aloha,
i, too, never check a bag unless absolutely necessary. 2 years ago, i bought a kenneth cole bag that is "cute", but structured in such a way that it "looks" overstuffed, even though it is actaully exactly the same dimensions as my travepro bag. it is the only bag gate agents have required me to weigh or measure. but the final straw, the last and final time i used the bag was at de gualle in paris. the ticket agent asked me to put it on the scale. when i told her it was my carry-on, she said, "it is most surely overweight, i can tell just from looking at it!" it was 1 pound over the limit, (20 pounds) which she kept saying, "it's YOUR FAA that set our rules!!". she TOOK the bag from me, and wouldn't give it back, saying that i could not carry it on. i was stunned!! my travelers cheques, my travel documents, my passport, my jewelry, my camera and a bottle of VERY nice french wine were in the bag. i argued for a few moments, watched it go down the conveyor belt, and then exasperatedly hunted down a supervisor. he went down to baggage handling, and retrieved my bag and brought it back to me. i was allowed to remove my jewelry, cheques and passport, took out the wine and gave it to my daughter, which brought the bag WELL under the weight limit, but he still would not allow me to carry it on.

my daughter, who lives there, says, "i love everything about france!! except, of course, the french....."

[lameline]

Originally posted by tdew@Aug 9 2005, 11:21 PM
Not necessarily Overhead bins, but there must be some way to provide a spot for the carry-ons so they won't be in the way.* Maybe someone could design High seats that would allow things to be placed underneath them?* OR Maybe everyone should carry chains and locks and have a designated space to lock them up?* Of course it would have to be in full view - and would also have to be close to the people it belonged to....*

A group of people traveling together is going to have what seems like a mountain of bags.* However, each person may have just one - but because they want to sit together, all of those bags have to stay with one group.

There is no way that valuables and electronic gadgets can be put into checked bags and feel that it is reasonable.* Air France once sent me a note after my bag was mislaid - and told me that my bag had been opened and "dangerous items" had been removed.* The items that were removed were 4 silk scarves that I'd purchased as presents!*

Why not see if you can come up with a solution to the problem?* Or - there are a few other restaurants in Honolulu that you could work in that are not in the airport?
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read my post regarding my horror story at degaulle, also air france.* like i said, "....except, of course, the french..."

[Guest]

Originally posted by Flysome@Jun 28 2005, 12:36 PM
Same reason applies to the millions of others that fly, as well.* We all pay for our space on the plane.* We all have the same right to that space, whether we put our luggage there first, or not.* As you are well aware, we also have the choice to check our luggage or not.* Also, if the passenger asked you to move your stuff to below the seat in front of you, she would just be repeating what the flight attendants ask when they ask for us to put our smaller carry-on item under the seat in front of us, leaving enough room for the larger carry-ons in the over-head bins.
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You know, not all of us are the same size. I'm almost 6'5", and I really, really need the space under the seat in front of me for my legs and feet - particularly with today's common 30 to 31 inch seat pitch! I simply cannot put anything but the smallest bag there.

I really wish the airlines would enforce their own rules about carry-ons. I've seen some pretty outrageous items brought on as "luggage" (I fly WN a lot). I will never forget the woman who brought a saddle (!) as part of her carry-on. When the F/A tried to close the bin, the woman started to shriek that her saddle was going to be ruined. The F/A look straight at her, opened the door all the way and slammed it shut! BTW, I was behind the woman as she went through security. That, of course, went very smoothly and quickly.

[missalf]

ajaynejr,
all I can tell you RE: carry on space is that it was to the point where I was being denied boarding the aircraft if I didn't check my bag. No ifs, ands or buts, either check the bag or don't fly.

According to the FAA you are not, repeat not guaranteed carry on space, it is provided as a courtesy that can be revoked at any time.

I,too, wish the airlines would enforce their own rules -- I can't tell you how many times I've seen people with three or four carryons.

[drwong]

Originally posted by Annette@Jul 22 2005, 12:27 PM
John,

You know I respect you, but I have to say that this is one of the things that irritates me about airline travel.* If I'm in row 12 and there's no room above my seat because someone in row 17 has put their stuff there, then that's irritating.* It also means that I then have to look for a spot to put my stuff, which most often ends up being several rows behind where I'm sitting thus necessitating that I wait until virtually everyone is off the aircraft before I can retrieve my carryon.

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That happened to me on one flight. I was one of the first to board the plane, only to find that one of the pre-boards had inconsiderately crammed their suitcase in the overhead compartment above my row. As my row was still empty, I suspected it belonged to somebody sitting further back, who wanted to be able to simply snatch and grab their bag as they exited the plane.

I politely asked the passengers in the vicinity, "Does this bag belong to anyone?" Looking around, nobody would make eye contact with me. So I took the bag out of the overhead and asked the flight attendant with a smile, "Would you mind checking this for me?" Suddenly, the owner miraculously appeared several rows back, claiming, "That's my bag!!!" The flight attendant, to her credit, sweetly asked, "Then would you mind stowing it above your seat?"

A sweet victory for a road warrior, thanks to a flight attendant who knew how to think on her feet!

[missalf]

Good for you, Dr. Wong !!! :D

Maybe if we limited people to using ONLY the carry on space above their own seats we could help FA's enforce the proper number of carry-ons rule.

The saddle story is good too!

[blakej]

Many times I have seen people getting on with more than the allowable luggage and wonder why they are not stopped and told at check in or when boarding that some of their stuff has to go in the luggage hold. I too watched a foreign family get on with too much and they tried to move out my bag so as they could use the bin overhead of them and me. I quickly grabbed my luggage and put it back and handed them their excess. What a barrage of unknown langage came my way but I stood my ground and pointed to my seat and myself and my bag on top.
To me it is senseless making these rules about how many pieces one can carry on if the airlines do not enforce it.

[Doug Jensen]

Originally posted by susanliber@Jun 28 2005, 08:36 PM
I usually have a back pack and my purse - or a carry on the size of my back pack - which is not a large one.....I usually put it under the seat in front* of me - so I can put my feet on it - I am short.* Even though I rarely use the overhead bins, I see all the stuff that people bring on and stuff into there!* I am always amazed....just like watching the women in their stilletto heels walking around the airport......I saw one person get on the plane with 3 carry ones!* And the flight attendant did not say a word.* I know waiting for the luggage is a pain....the last flight I was on it took 45 minutes for the luggage to start to come out....but wouldn't these people rather be comfortable squeezed into this small space!!* ??** :?:
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Fortunately I am almost always upgraded to F, but whether in F or coach, if I find a bag in the space above my seat(*), I remove it, place it in the floor of the aisle, and put my bag overhead. *BTW, actually I always use the overhead across the asile from my seat so I can watch my belongings, I too carry very valuable property in my carry-on.

[Love2snorkel]

<<Why not see if you can come up with a solution to the problem? Or - there are a few other restaurants in Honolulu that you could work in that are not in the airport?>>

That is like me telling you to get your own private jet then if you are so upset about sharing bin space with the bag hogs...which is insidious and so NOT the point. People need to just check their bags OR stop parking it in everyone's way. Maybe I have my reasons for working in the airport and maybe I don't want to just work at some restaurant. Maybe it is inconvenient for me to work somewhere else. That is not the point. People be considerate is all I ask, or get their own private jets since now everyone is wining about not getting fed on the flights!

[tdew]

Oh but it is the point. If you work in an airport restaurant, people ARE going to have bags. I agree that everyone should try to be more considerate of others, but the physical bags are still going to be there. You have to come to terms with that, because that's where you work. Unless the restaurants themselves come up with a solution to the problem, it's not going to go away.

I thought my idea of high stools and high tables, with space underneath for the bags to be placed was a pretty good one. Some restaurants are using these high square tables just because they are different and interesting. If the stools could also have bars that people could lock their bags to, everyone could feel secure and the bags would be out of the walkways. I bet the restaurants could seat a lot more people too.

[kathie]

When I take a trip, I'm almost never in the same city for more than a day. I also fly out of a smaller airport rather than drive two hours from my home to a major hub, so I almost always have at least one connection. I would LOVE to check my bag and bring only my purse with me on the plane, and not have to roll a bag through an airport to make my connection. But I've found through sad experience that my checked luggage rarely makes a connection without a 90 minute or more layover.

Airlines promise to get your bag to you within 24 hours. In 24 hours, quite often I'm already on my way home, or driving to my next stop. Two years ago I took a trip with two bags; one carryon, with enough clothes and necessities for my three days (each in a different city) and one that I did check, with other items that would have made my trip not such a survival adventure. The checked bag did not make it, but it did chase me around three cities in SD and MN, always arriving after I'd left. It caught up with me in time for me to take it to the airport and check it back in for my flight(s) home.

This is why you'll see my wheelie bag (that is designed to, and does, fit into the overhead, wheels first) with me on the big planes - or gate-checked on the small ones.

[lameline]

and here's a little hint--
if you "gate check" the bag, it's usually one of the last bags to go under the plane, so it's first off. the added benefit is that no-one has the time or privacy to open and pilfer. aloha

[Jeanie821]

I've seen people try to carry the most ridiculous things onboard an aircraft - full-size suitcases, folding chairs and the like. Airline websites are very explicit about what should and should not be included in carry-on luggage, and being considerate, I try to pay attention.

To wit, what I usually carry (between backpack and purse) is:

Compact Bible (Hey, I'm Pentecostal, what do you want?)
Manuscript (I write in my spare time)
A reasonable amount of pens and highlighters for above
One novel, maximum (Why carry what you're not going to read?)
CD player with CDs and extra batteries
Medications (if I pack those and they're lost, I'm up the proverbial creek)
One bottle of water and some snack bars
Wallet, flight confirmation and itinerary

This all has to fit under the seat in front of me, as I am only 4'11" and unable to reach the overhead bin.

[joyceandrews]

Jeanie,
Ask someone to put it in the overhead for you. But I guess it is more convenient under the seat anyway.

[Guest]

I'd like to say "Bravo" to the TSA people at Bob Hope Airport in Burbank CA. For the first time in my life I saw them turn someone away before the checkpoint for trying to carry on too many bags. The woman had a large roller on bag, a purse, a medium size tote and a briefcase sized shoulder bag. I think if the policy of one carry-on bag and one personal item were enforced there would rarely be a problem for overhead bin space.

I personally usually carry a small shouder trype bag than can fit underneath the seat in front of me, however I find that most of the time that's not necessary because my back is so small that it can fit in overhead even with two large roller bags. I have a suggestion for those that are just packing clothes... roll the clothes neatly, you won't get as many wrinkles as you think and you can fit a lot of stuff in a really small sapce.

[gundlion]

The carry-on rules are already in place, they just need to be enforced.

On some Asian carriers, I've seen a gate agent and a baggage handler go through the boarding area and tell passengers that have too much luggage it needs to be checked. In some cases, this is an advantage for the passenger that has already reached their two checked bag limit and would have had to pay extra to check a third piece.

[ylekiot]

I, too,work in an airport restaurant and can assure you that the bag hogs are going to spread themselves all over the place regardless HOW HIGH the tables or stools are raised, because these people are simply inconsiderate self-centered pigs! They are the same ones who monopolize the overhead space on the plane because they either have some monolithic egos or delusions of self-importance "...obviously MY bag is more valuable than yours, it's COACH!"
Granted, people can be expected to have a REASONABLE amount of luggage in an airport. However, since the bars and restaurants are usually within the secure area, it should be expected that whatever is brought into the restaurant will also be carried on the aircraft and it is quite often in extreme excess of the carry-on allowance.
Unfortunately it is those same aisle/bin hogs who demand to be served FIRST in the restaurant, muscling their way to the bartender to place their orders, expecting to be served BEFORE all of the other people who are patiently waiting and were there ahead of them. It is those same people who block the aisles with their excessive baggage who gripe the loudest when the server cannot get to their table because she has to navigate the obstacle course they have created in her workplace! It is those same griping people who fail to adequately tip that waitress because she was too busy playing aisle cop to get to their table the minute they were ready for her to be there!

It is ridiculous for you to suggest that the woman find another place to work or that the restaurants change their decor or seating arrangements to accomodate these pigs.
NO it was never the point!
The point is that bag hogs need to learn how to prioritize what they carry onto airplanes, if not just out of concern and courtesy, but for the safety of other passengers! And airlines need to stick to the carry-on allowance rules, making NO exceptions.

Restaurants are there to provide food and drinks to travelers, not luggage storage. If you must travel with so much carry-on baggage that you need to take up an extra table in an airport restaurant or bar, then you should be paying the establishment and the server AT LEAST the price of the average check plus 15% tip. And if you cannot afford that, then you should buy a sandwich at a take-out place and eat it in the lobby where I'm sure you'll find a place to sit: atop your oversized suitcase!

Originally posted by tdew@Aug 10 2005, 07:08 AM
Oh but it is the point.* If you work in an airport restaurant, people ARE going to have bags.* I agree that everyone should try to be more considerate of others, but the physical bags are still going to be there.* You have to come to terms with that, because that's where you work.* Unless the restaurants themselves come up with a solution to the problem, it's not going to go away.*

I thought my idea of high stools and high tables, with space underneath for the bags to be placed was a pretty good one.* Some restaurants are using these high square tables just because they are different and interesting.* If the stools could also have bars that people could lock their bags to, everyone could feel secure and the bags would be out of the walkways.* I bet the restaurants could seat a lot more people too.
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[Love2snorkel]

Amen Sista! (oh I mean, fellow baggage COP!!)

[susanliber]

I see those people all the time in the airport and I just shake my head. I usually only have my small backpack and sometime my waist pack - but that is usually in my back pack. My husband carries one soft sided tote but only sometimes. I also wonder about those women in the high heeled sandals.....how can they be comfortable for traveling? I have on my slip on clogs and home made socks - so my feet aren't cold on the plane.

And I see all those people with 2-3 large bags to carry around. :blink:

And carrying their boarding pass and ID in their mouth because now they don't have a free hand. Very sanitary, ya think??

[missalf]

I GOT IT!

Since they see everything anyway, let TSA police the carry on bag issue. They're in the perfect position to do it, when you pick up your bags at the end of the conveyor belt there could be a representative there who acts for all airlines, the TSA person notifies them that "The gentleman in the yellow checkered slacks and flip flops has four bags), and then he could be escorted out of the line and the rep could gate check the bag.

Doesn't that sound like a wonderful idea? That way we also could feel we get some beneficial service from the TSA people!

How do we get this solution into the works!

[susanliber]

Great Solution!!!

[jfrenaye]

"The gentleman in the yellow checkered slacks and flip flops has four bags), and then he could be escorted out of the line and the rep could gate check the bag.

Yeah fabulous idea--too bad it is not too well thought out! Do you have any idea of the cost of implementing such a program? Do you realize how much moneyit would cost our government to teach these goons to count to 4????

Come on Misalf...no way!

:P

[AaronK]

Interesting thought.

But, would the fact that I have to put numerous items into the X-ray get me "classified" as a luggage pig?

Lets see, I travel with a backpack (that fits under the seat in front of me) with all my "stuff" in it, a CPAP machine that goes in the overhead, and two laptops (in the backpack except as I go through security). If I also have a jacket, that makes 3 bins (one per laptop, and one for my coat and shoes), a CPAP, and a backpack. If I don't have a jacket, than the shoes go separately. So thats at least 6 items going through. Would I be told I'm lugging too much?

[jfrenaye]

I don't think the issue is how much you have to pull apart for TSA, but that you hog the overhead bin space and restaurant floors.

From what you said, you seem to be a VERY considerate traveler in keeping your backpack under your seat and the CPAP in the bin.

[AaronK]

I try to be considerate when travelling. I don't recline unless the seat behind me isn't occupied.

But if we are counting on the TSA screeners to be able to count 2 bags, are we pushing our luck?

[Kairho]

I always ask the person behind if they mind me reclining and emphasize them to tell me if not convenient. Even then, I only go half way.

I believe anthopologists have determined that primitive peoples only knew three numbers: "1," "2," and "many." So therefor I conclude that TSA people may be able to get to "1."

And hey! can somebody turn down the heat out there?!?!?!

[ylekiot]

Originally posted by AaronK@Aug 14 2005, 07:06 AM
I try to be considerate when travelling. I don't recline unless the seat behind me isn't occupied.

But if we are counting on the TSA screeners to be able to count 2 bags, are we pushing our luck?
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We're pushing our luck if we count on the TSA screeners for much more than what they are (under)paid to do. If the concept of "you get what you pay for" ever applied --in practice vs. theory-- it is illustrated by the TSA agents. After they confiscate the dozens (if not hundreds!) of lighters, which, by the way are NOT very dangerous weapons IMHO, we would expect them to count/measure luggage too? I have seen razor blades, a corkscrew with a very large knife inside and scissors, just to name a few, pass through "security". Come on, I think we all reailze that the TSA was created to give the American traveler a (false!) sense of security to get them back in the air after 9/11. If someone wants to kill the flight crew they can accomplish it any number of ways, truth be told. You could puncture a ribcage or a carotid artery with a ball point pen if you were determined to do so. If someone wants to take down an airplane there are multiple ways to do it and no amount of shoes going through x-ray is going to stop it.
But I digress...
I think the topic here was not the intellectual capacity of TSA personnel, nor was it how to take down/hijack an airplane.
Unfortunately, the more I think about it, the more I am convinced that the bin/aisle hog rule applies to many --if not all-- aspects of living together and sharing this planet. There are those who feel entitled and those who feel put-upon. There are those who never learned to share or to be considerate of others, and those who are either too polite or too meek to stand up for themselves. Unfortunately, until the twain DO meet, this will always be the case.
Therefore, for those who fail to see the little sample bin located before check-in and ensure that their carry-on fits into that space, I believe that it is the job of the check-in agent to determine what is allowed as carry-on. When we check our bags there is an airline rep. RIGHT THERE, handling bags already. Why create another underpaid position when there is one built in to the check-in process?
Maybe they could place that sample bin at the check-in counter and the bag(s) can be demonstrated to fit within that space or be checked in. Period.

[missalf]

I believe that it is the job of the check-in agent to determine what is allowed as carry-on.

ylekiot,
I certainly don't disagree with you, but this ain't happening. I have yet to see a gate agent or FA tell someone they have too many carry on bags (And I fly a lot!)

So I figured, two birds with one stone. I agree the TSA people are too fettered by a number of issues (my big pet peeve is the overboard demonstration that they are not practicing racial profiling -- therefore gramma gets searched while the group of 15 young middle-eastern men aren't touched) to fulfill their mandate. So I figured, let's find a way to make them useful.

Especially if the relaxed rules they're discussing take effect, they won't be able to hassle me for nail scissors or a forgotten 1" pocket knife in the bottom of my purse, or force me to take my shoes off, they'll have more time to do something that's actually productive.

As you so accurately point out, the aisle/bin hogs will not regulate themselves, and the structures we have in place now don't work (Can anyone tell me why FA's or GA's don't enforce these as they should?). Why should I suffer due to their selfish behaviour -- I pack specifically to ensure I don't carry too many bags, or block aisles on layovers, etc, and I'm tired of people who just don't care. If there were a mechanism in place that WORKED they'd have to show consideration (At least in terms of bag count :rolleyes: )

[ylekiot]

"...and I'm tired of people who just don't care. If there were a mechanism in place that WORKED they'd have to show consideration (At least in terms of bag count )"

ALAS and ALACK we cannot regulate/legislate courteous behavior, can we? So yes, the FAs and GAs could certainly serve to reinforce what was already screened once at check-in. If there were TWO points at which the determination were made (first, at check-in and again at the gate) the amount of excess baggage in cabin would be considerably reduced.
As I see daily, even those who have reasonably sized bags (in addition to those who manage to sneak by --with carry-on, huge duffel-size "purses" AND a full sized suitcase--) spend their layover time SHOPPING, i.e. accumulating more STUFF. Airports are full of shops designed to grab that last vacation dollar, allow the traveler that one last souvenir... With this in mind the GA and FA should be required to make them gate check anything over the standard carryon baggage allowed. AND for those who think that they can circumvent the extra charge for weight, require payment before those overweight, gate-checked items are released. Certainly it would make a little more money for the airline which would offset the extra time and trouble it took for the crew to manage this detail. And since gate-checked items are first off, as one earlier poster pointed out, it would be fairly easy to flag and set aside such items.
Just a thought.
Unfortunately it's those of us who DO pack and check considerately who are trampled by those who feel entitled to MORE!
As your signature slogan illustrates, you think globally and compassionately. I suppose behaviour on airplanes and buses applies to other aspects of life, no?
Reminds me of a comment from a co-worker when I was trying to find home for some feral kittens I found on my garden at about ten days old. He said "but what KIND of cats are they? Oh no, I'd never want a cat like that!" As though a less impressive pedigree made them any less lovable.
People! Takes all kinds, I guess, in all aspects of life...

[missalf]

hmmm....all my cats have been feral and/or rescues, and I wouldn't have it any other way. My dogs have been rescues and my husband....well, let's not go there :D

I just think it goes past good behavior -- I've been denied carry-on space for very expensive equipment because of the overhead hogs and the fact the FA's and GA's didn't enforce the carry on rules. Over and above the shopping bags (And yes, I know the airports want you to think that you HAVE to shop while you wait) it's the people with two roller bags, two duffles, a backpack, a purse AND a guitar, instances like that.

You sound like you're in airports more than I am, ylekiot, and could probably outline even more instances of selfishness in terms of people taking up more than their allotted space, but you gotta admit if people did their jobs as they should this wouldn't be as huge an issue as it is (at least ON the planes, there's no bag limit in restaurants or bars as far as I know :rolleyes:

[ylekiot]

Perceptive of you missalf! I work in an airport (16 years) and believe me, I've seen it ALL!

I have parrots (four, count 'em four of 'em!) and all of those are rescues. Because I had TWO lovebirds years ago, every time a friend decided that the lovely decoration they got for their living room was a screeching, squawking, poop-making seed-throwing mimic they said "I KNOW! Lisa will take him!" so I now have a Macaw and two African Greys in addition to my little cockatiel. And yes, a husband who puts up with my persistent nagging to build this or that for them. He just finished building them their own apartment! (A word to the wise: if you want a colorful decoration for your house but don't have the next 50+ years of at least two to three hours PER DAY to give attention and care to a bird, get a fishtank!)

But again, I digress...
Of course this problem would not exist if people did their jobs! On the other hand, seeing what I see every day I can only imagine how stressful those jobs are. Believe me, it takes a special type of person to deal with the traveling public --as several other threads on this site also illustrate-- it's not for wimps! I'd be interested to know the percentage of GAs, FAs and TSAs (in addition to other airport personnel in other jobs) who are on anti-anxiety meds! I know at least half are alcoholics.
I KNOW! Let's print out a few dozen copies of this forum and send it to the CEOs of a few major carriers!
I'll do it; but I wonder how much good it would do.
Since we obviously cannot force good behavior, what recourse do we have but to take it to the top? I'm famous for writing letters to editors and such; why not add this to my ***** file?
Cannot hurt, HUH?


Originally posted by missalf@Aug 14 2005, 03:28 PM
hmmm....all my cats have been feral and/or rescues, and I wouldn't have it any other way.* My dogs have been rescues and my husband....well, let's not go there :D

I just think it goes past good behavior -- I've been denied carry-on space for very expensive equipment because of the overhead hogs and the fact the FA's and GA's didn't enforce the carry on rules.** Over and above the shopping bags (And yes, I know the airports want you to think that you HAVE to shop while you wait) it's the people with two roller bags, two duffles, a backpack, a purse AND a guitar,* instances like that.

You sound like you're in airports more than I am, ylekiot, and could probably outline even more instances of selfishness in terms of people taking up more than their allotted space, but you gotta admit if people did their jobs as they should this wouldn't be as huge an issue as it is (at least ON the planes, there's no bag limit in restaurants or bars as far as I know* :rolleyes:
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[dadler]

Robohobo, was right, bin space should be for everyone, but there will always be selfish people who figure that they are more important than anyone else and entitled to more space, carryons,etc, the rules regarding the size and number of carry on bags should be diligently enforced by the airlines to ensure space for all. The airlines should measure the carry on bag at check-in, adn the gate, voth places where those "measuring boxes" should be. If the bag doesn't fit into the box, it gets checked into the baggage hold.

Then there would be no more problems.

[ylekiot]

EXACTLY!

[missalf]

I agree... plus I think once strict enforcfement of carry on limits begins, and it's done consistently, then the word gets around and people start following the rules because then they KNOW they have to.

I'm sure these are stressful jobs; heck, almost anything public related is, and when you're dealing with travellers who haven't allowed the proper time before or between flights you've got a recipe for stress -- but this should lessen the stress in the long run.

And, believe me, I know what you mean about people buying live decorations -- (I'm fostering a German Shepherd right now because she turned out to need more attention than the person who owns her thought) -- I have my hands full with my dogs, my cats and my fish -- a bird probably would but my husband over the top!

[silver cloud]

I have always wanted to travel light. Alas, I never do. However, because I'm also short I bring a normal sized carry-on and place it under my feet, what a relief on a long flight since my feet don't touch the floor!! :P

However, when I puddle jump over to Chicago in a couple weeks, I'm packing light and i'm carrying it on. Last time I flew they completely blew apart my large suitcase and I'm still miffed about that.

John, I say if you want to put your luggage a couple rows ahead...so what. I NEVER put my luggage up top so you can have MY space.

:) mary

[modgirl]

Originally posted by AaronK@Aug 14 2005, 05:06 PM
I try to be considerate when travelling. I don't recline unless the seat behind me isn't occupied.


Please let me know your flight plans -- I want to sit behind you my next flight!!

I'm a female who is 6'0". However, unleg most men who have their height in their torsos, my height is in my legs. My inseam is 36". One time a man had his seat completely reclined, and every time I dared to move my legs, my knees bumped his seat. I absolutely was not doing to be annoying. I had no choice. But he complained and *****ed bitterly about it. I was very apologetic, and he insisted that he had the right to recline his seat, and quite frankly, he was right. But what was I to do? It was a miserable trip.

[Annette]

On the shopping issue: This is one of the reasons having the TSA root out passengers with too many bags wouldn't work. On one recent trip I saw someone with 1 regular carryon, and 3 large very stuffed shopping bags! And of course how do you gate-check a big shopping bag full of stuff when there's no way to close the thing? Maybe there should be a service (paid, of course) at the airport where they'll plunk your bags into a sealable bag. Or I know that some dollar stores sell large zippered bags made from recycled shopping bags... maybe the airport stores should start stocking those and say "Would you like a regular bag, or for $1 we can pack it in a reusable zippered bag to prevent your items from spilling out when then airline has to gate check your bag". They can even have free luggage tags (from the airlines, of course) that passengers can write their info on so the bag is ready to go.

And on the "Why do people travel with so much carryon stuff" issue: Here's my story from my HONEYMOON of all things. Long story made short: NW delayed our original flight by 7 hours, rebooked us on an oversold flight, misconnected us, overnighted us in Detroit, and then lost our luggage - that was just on the way out! I travel with 2 bags: my laptop (and whatever work files I need, and yes I still took those on my honeymoon) and my carryon. In my carryon goes medications, the camera, jewelry and ALWAYS a change of clothes. We flew out Saturday, didn't get to our destination until Sunday and left on a cruise a few hours later. Thank goodness for that change of clothes - you never know when you're going to need it!

And as for those folks who have said they always put their bags a few rows ahead because one should always keep an eye on their bags... while that's certainly true remember that the folks who'd normally be putting their bags there now have to find someplace else to put them, and that's usually several rows behind. So your need to have your bags several rows ahead has now resulted in someone else being unable to keep an eye on their bags.

[Mike in Busan]

I have to admit that I am very persnickety when it comes to where my stuff is on the plane and my personal space, as little of it as there is in coach. My small bag, with nothing but a Daytimer and some papers and my computer case with an ultra-compact go above my head. Luckily I have reached Platinum status with my carrier of choice and board early so it is typically not an issue. I do not allow my stuff to be crunched, wedged or otherwise manhandled by rude fellow travelers. I have objected strenuously when this has been attempted. I do not put things under the seat in front of me as I value my legroom. Yes, I know this sounds snotty and arrogant but since I am paying for the seat and the space that goes with it I have no qualms about insisting that I get it. The same goes for switching seats to accomodate someones special needs. I carefully pre-plan to get the aisle seat I want. It is not my problem if someone decides at the last moment to travel and then finds themselves seperated from loved ones. I have told one than one person "no" when asked if I would be kind of enough to give up my aisle seat in exchange for a middle seat so a couple can sit together. Their lack of planning does not constitute an obligation on my part to accomodate them. I spend so much time airborne that I have grown callous. Danged shame that the travel experience tends to bring out the worst in us sometimes.

[Guest]

I have to admit that I am very persnickety when it comes to where my stuff is on the plane and my personal space, as little of it as there is in coach. My small bag, with nothing but a Daytimer and some papers and my computer case with an ultra-compact go above my head. Luckily I have reached Platinum status with my carrier of choice and board early so it is typically not an issue. I do not allow my stuff to be crunched, wedged or otherwise manhandled by rude fellow travelers. I have objected strenuously when this has been attempted. I do not put things under the seat in front of me as I value my legroom. Yes, I know this sounds snotty and arrogant but since I am paying for the seat and the space that goes with it I have no qualms about insisting that I get it. The same goes for switching seats to accomodate someones special needs. I carefully pre-plan to get the aisle seat I want. It is not my problem if someone decides at the last moment to travel and then finds themselves seperated from loved ones. I have told one than one person "no" when asked if I would be kind of enough to give up my aisle seat in exchange for a middle seat so a couple can sit together. Their lack of planning does not constitute an obligation on my part to accomodate them. I spend so much time airborne that I have grown callous. Danged shame that the travel experience tends to bring out the worst in us sometimes

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[Nancy]

I agree. This irrates me about airline travel too. I think you should put your suitcase above your own seat. I don't think anyone has the right to ask you to move your suitcase to accommodate theirs.

There are times when a carry-on suitcase is all you need for the weekend.

[Guest]

Until I read this entire thread I did not know that the overhead bin above your seat number wasn't yours to uitlize. So does that mean I must sit in the back of the plane to insure I board first? Why should anyone be allowed to use more than one-half of an overhead bin? I allow room in my carryon for last minute purchases at the airport so that I won't have open shopping bags with items spilling out all over the place. I've seen the gate agents turn away at the individuals with obviously way more than "carryon" luggage board the plane, yet I dutifully check mine. I now have three different sizes of carryon luggage (17", 20", 22")because the airline industry keeps changing what is allowed - yet it seems to only apply to me - not others. It seems as soon as you appear with anything with wheels it''s deemed "to big" - but has anyone taken a good look at those duffel bags? Since I only have to fly a few times per year I've learned to "suck it up" but travel certainly isn't what it used to be.

[Annette]

Here's what I want to know:
Why are airline personnel apparently exempt from the carryon restrictions? I know that it's a little difficult for them to gate-check their stuff since they're not getting off the plane when it lands, but why don't they have a bin OTHER than a passenger bin for their stuff?

My most recent flight was last week, and when I got to my seat (at the back of the plane) I looked in the overhead bin and it was already "full". There was no one else at the back of the plane yet, and I recognized the luggage tags as being airline personnel tags. Fortunately the bags had been put in sideways (unnecessarily taking up the whole bin for 2 bags) and I was able to turn them the other way and put mine in there too. But I have seen airline personnel flying standby board the plane with more luggage than I have checked, and somehow they always find a place to put the stuff on the plane.

Why is that?

[jfrenaye]

Cuz they know that is the only way to guarantee that you and your luggage will go to the same place at the same time!

[bakerman2033]

It is more than appropriate to bring your jewelry and your medications on board with you. This
is a no brainer and doesn't require further explanation. Nor does it absolve those who whine that because you carried those items onboard they should be able to carry their surfboard or chandelier on board. I kid you not, a woman tried to carry a crystal chandeler onboard, and being defunct of brain cells from birth, couldn't understand why she could not when told so at the gate. I have never carried my luggage on board and I never will. It it inconsiderate, rude, and a hazard. Period. The bins above seats are not designed to carry the amount of weight that goes into them on each flight. Stop and think about it. Have you ever boarded an aircraft late, as the jetway door was about to be closed, and have them scream out an estimated weight to the counter person as you are rushed by another counter attendant down the jetway? I weigh a slim 150lbs, yet it was important that my "just me no baggage" weight" be figured into the totals. How do you think they can accurately estimate the total weight of all the additional carry on items that are not weighed in (luggage is weighed in at the counter, ever notice it's a scale that the checked luggage sits on as it's slide below the check-in counter?). Multiply the number of seats on a given aircraft and an "estimate" of what the average "inconsiderate" might roll onto the plane with him/her and then run some "real tests" to see how many flights actually come close to an acceptable figure for each aircraft. I have a feeling the numbers would fluctuate all over the board, with variables to great to achieve acceptable estimates. I wonder how many people would have survived with the lucky few who have, (cut the comments, I lost a dear friend in the Iowa crash) and if one might have, it's worth the inconvenience to those who can't slow down for a second to think of the safety of other's. Not to mention that the life you might be saving is your own. You also might give some thought that perhaps some wise thinking could very possibly save your own family years of grief. Give them a copy of this is you think I'm wrong, they can see that you don't care much about being a little more safety concious for your own life, or those who might be sitting around you. No one will ever know if your bag was a culprit that blocked a fast exit in a survivable crash. When I read some of the posts in here, it really hit hard just how thoughless some people can be when the hazard this involves is so much greater than ones selfishnes in getting from point A to point B. What they should do is lock the overheads electronically as to keep them shut from the moment the planes leaves the gate until it pulls up and secured to it's arrival gate. This could and should be implemented by the Aircraft Manafactures, with the full approval of the FAA.

[susanliber]

In an old John Wayne movie - all the passengers threw their luggage out of the plane to make it lighter. This movie was made in the late 50's or so so the luggage was considerably larger and heavier. It was a riot to watch that scene.

[flamingo girl]

I have told one than one person "no" when asked if I would be kind of enough to give up my aisle seat in exchange for a middle seat so a couple can sit together.

......I always wonder about that, because they're the same couple who sit there with the headphones on or buried in a book and don't speak to each other the whole time anyways. Is it so awful if you can't sit next to each other for a couple of hours? There are days I'd pay extra to have my sweetie located in another area!
And if I, a clothes horse, can go to Italy for 17 days with just the allowable sized carry on bag and a shoulder bag anyone can do it! No I wasn't dressed like a hobo, it just takes some thoughtful mix and match planning.
The chandelier story was good, but my all time favorite was on Christmas eve when it's always a zoo. This New Yorker had commandeered an entire bin for her fur which she had lovingly laid out. She had closed the bin and then proceeded to tell each arriving passenger who went near the bin that it was already full. Finally, someone opened it anyways and started to move the coat over and she flew into a rage that it was her bin, did we know how much she had paid for her seat and that space? She screamed at the F/A when told it would have to be folded up or held by her. There was much applause when the F/A gave her a third option.....they were short on blankets and she would give it to the family a few rows up who would be happy to hold it for her! hee,hee,hee

[Jeanie821]

Originally posted by Guest2@Jun 28 2005, 12:24 PM
The reason that I do NOT check my suitcase is because it seldom turns out good. I have flown over one million miles in the last 20 years. In that time I have checked my suitcase about 20 times. The results were:
serious damage 3 times

delayed baggage 7 times (once delayed three days by BA)
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Okay... you make a good point. Obviously you've had some very bad experiences. But those of us who haven't should check such suitcases whenever possible and carry something that will easily fit under the seat in front of us.

[Jeanie821]

Originally posted by joyceandrews@Aug 10 2005, 01:11 PM
Jeanie,
Ask someone to put it in the overhead for you. But I guess it is more convenient under the seat anyway.
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On the rare occasions where it is too big, I do ask someone (preferably male and cute :lol: ) to put it in the overhead bin for me, but only after I remove anything that I will definitely need access to during the flight. Usually I tuck a small tote bag into the backpack strictly for that purpose - I call it my "breakaway bag". I employ a similar practice for prison ministry, where I cannot carry very much into the jail and am forced to leave most of my belongings in my team leader's van.

[missalf]

This New Yorker had commandeered an entire bin for her fur which she had lovingly laid out. She had closed the bin and then proceeded to tell each arriving passenger who went near the bin that it was already full. Finally, someone opened it anyways and started to move the coat over and she flew into a rage that it was her bin, did we know how much she had paid for her seat and that space? She screamed at the F/A when told it would have to be folded up or held by her. There was much applause when the F/A gave her a third option.....they were short on blankets and she would give it to the family a few rows up who would be happy to hold it for her! hee,hee,hee

Oh, that one is good! I can't tell you how many times when I fly during the winter that the overhead bins are just FULL of coats -- even when the FA's announce that coats do not belong there.

[catwings]

Originally posted by Flysome@Jun 28 2005, 12:36 PM
Same reason applies to the millions of others that fly, as well.* We all pay for our space on the plane.* We all have the same right to that space, whether we put our luggage there first, or not.* As you are well aware, we also have the choice to check our luggage or not.* Also, if the passenger asked you to move your stuff to below the seat in front of you, she would just be repeating what the flight attendants ask when they ask for us to put our smaller carry-on item under the seat in front of us, leaving enough room for the larger carry-ons in the over-head bins.
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Actually, the announcement I recall hearing is the FA's request that "IF you carried on two items to place the larger in the overhead, and the smaller item under the seat in front of you". If I carry on only one item I am certainly permitted to place it in the overhead, regardless of size, should I prefer to leave the area in front of me empty for leg room. Just because another passenger wants the overhead does not mean they are entitled to it. It is definitely shared space, but if my item is there already then I am just using "my" share.

[morgholtz]

Originally posted by onelove@Jun 28 2005, 11:09 PM
So please be aware that some people do not have the ability to check their bags.ÂÂ* 3155


Agreed - I have medication and personal items that I CANNOT rely on checked baggage. In addition, I travel with my laptop so that must stay with me.

Also - I have been on several trips where checked luggage takes anywhere from 45 - 120 minutes to come out. So the statement of only waiting 5 - 20 minutes is not the norm.

I am glad to hear some flight attendants actually take the time to re-organize the bins to help out. I fly the bigger carriers and I NEVER see the attendants do anything like that.

Many times I am sitting in my seat aching to jump up and re-organize the bags to accomodate more bags. Many people who use the overhead bins do not know how to conserve space, - stacking smaller items, putting briefcases upright if possible, putting rollaboards in wheels first (provided the bin will close).

And yes I have asked people to place their laptop bag under the seat when I need the space but they are always in the roomier rows where their feet don't even touch the seat in front of them - so the excuse of having no leg room is crap.

So I guess if everyone just put a little thought into whether or not it makes sense to pack everything in carry-on, do I really need to place every thing in the overhead - can I sit comfortably with a briefcase in front of me, can I re-arrange the space overhead more efficiently - everyone could be a little less stressed.

I am so tired of those travellers who feel like they are the ONLY ones who fly on a regular basis or actually pay real money for their ticket. I travel 46 + weeks out of a year, I am a hi-level status flyer and yet I still realize there are other people on my flight and co-operation can make things so much more tolerable.

Morgan

[A traveling fool]

Originally posted by jfrenaye@Jun 28 2005, 08:52 PM
I regularly sit with my overhead bag stowed rows in front of me for two reasons...
1.* If it is crowded, it might get moved, and if I can have it in front of me, I can watch it. Do not let you r bag be behind you especially on a redeye or long haul flight. Thieves look for that stuff and when your bag is behind you, you cannot see it.
2.* It makes it easier to deplane for me.* I get out of the seat, wrestle my way to the aisle, and when we finally start moving, I can walk past, snatch the bag and keep on going.
To me it makes it easier, but I am also sure that logistically, I am a pain in the ass!
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If her bag don't fit why not help the flit?
I'm a female frequent traveler who uses a roller bag filled with mostly work stuff which I can't check in for that reason. Men often act like they're the only people who travel on business. You simply chose to not help that young woman and sound like an Archie Bunker type to me. In regards to rude people who stow their bags up front when they sit in back - it's very inconsiderate of the people whose luggage space they took. Manners help everyone when you travel.

[Guest]

For those of us coming back to a regional airport that is served by only 50 passenger jet at the maximum, there is no reason not to check our bags. I always check my bags. It is inconsiderate of others to try and come on board with too large/many items. It never takes more than 10-15 minutes to get the bags and you don't have to worry about finding space except for your computer.
For the many that have posted that feel they are "entitled" to special accomodation because they have high value items, etc. I respectfully disagree.
What if each of us flying has "$30,000 in Haliburton tools" to maintain control over?
There simply is not enough overhead for evryone to be so priveleged to bring on even 22" roller bags. There are 5-6 seats per row, how could everyone be allowed to bring on the maximum.

I personally, am tired of being delayed in takeoff and then also in deboarding for the person who is bringing on 2-3 items. I have missed connections before because of it.

While we are at it, I am also the guy who will recline the seat, slowly, back to it's maximum. I too have a laptop and work with it when needed. But I am in an economy coach class and realize it. Apologies to the guy woman behind me who feels they have a right to open their 17-19" laptop screen in flight and not be affected by my right to be comfortable within the confines of my space afforded by the particular airline configuration. I suggest if your need/want is for First class space, then you should get it by paying for it one way or another (cash/mileage/status). If not, then be prepared to abide by the smaller confines of economy.

[Guest]

Originally posted by Guest@Sep 4 2005, 07:23 PM
For those of us coming back to a regional airport that is served by only 50 passenger jet at the maximum, there is no reason not to check our bags. I always check my bags. It is inconsiderate of others to try and come on board with too large/many items. It never takes more than 10-15 minutes to get the bags and you don't have to worry about finding space except for your computer.
For the many that have posted that feel they are "entitled" to special accomodation because they have high value items, etc. I respectfully disagree.
What if each of us flying has "$30,000 in Haliburton tools" to maintain control over?
There simply is not enough overhead for evryone to be so priveleged to bring on even 22" roller bags. There are 5-6 seats per row, how could everyone be allowed to bring on the maximum.

I personally, am tired of being delayed in takeoff and then also in deboarding for the person who is bringing on 2-3 items. I have missed connections before because of it.

While we are at it, I am also the guy who will recline the seat, slowly, back to it's maximum.* I too have a laptop and work with it when needed. But I am in an economy coach class and realize it. Apologies to the guy woman behind me who feels they have a right to open their 17-19" laptop screen in flight and not be affected by my right to be comfortable within the confines of my space afforded by the particular airline configuration. I suggest if your need/want is for First class space, then you should get it by paying for it one way or another (cash/mileage/status). If not, then be prepared to abide by the smaller confines of economy.
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Not every small, regional airport takes only 15 minutes to get the bags. I know at ours, it can take upwards of at least 30 minutes to an hour and even longer, even for those small regional jets. And its funny that you mention those 50 seat regional jets but then tell somebody to book 1st Class if they want more room, regional jets don't have 1st class seating.

[AnnaBee]

I fly to Shanghai China every christmas break from school to see my dad who lives there. In Boston when I left, my plane needed to be deiced and we waited IN THE PLANE for 2 hours, needless to say I missed my connection in LA. I got stuck overnight in LA and had brought 1 carry one, smaller than a gym bag, with clothes for a night, toothbrush etc, but it also had books and my ipod with many audiobooks on it. I always keep my things under the seat in front of me, cause I like to always have my stuff with me. Its simple out of the way and I don't need anymore that that! I'm 5'6" and I use the bag under my calves as a almost recliner bench!

[Guest]

Well, here’s the deal. For the last 30 years I’ve traveled on biz and I absolutely hate the summer and holidays. It’s during those times that it can take forever to board the aircraft (passengers act like they are in Disneyland..just looking around) . I don’t know why this takes so long -- maybe Jethro doesn’t understand that there are people behind him. Well, duh!!

So, yes I do stow my carry on bag (and I only travel with a carry on -- never checked baggage) at Row 10, because I’m waiting for Jethro to realize that there is a long fricking line behind him while he is lollygagging at Row 20, and that <hello> he needs to step in and let others board. I stow my bag when I’m stopped for 1-2 minutes, to actually move along the whole boarding process. Plus when I get off, I can just grab it.

And as far as the regional jets go -- I gate check my bags and don’t have to wait at the carousel. Gate checking doesn’t really count -- it’s almost the same as carrying it on with you.

I just hate it when it’s summer and the Clampets take to the air!!

[dumdumdum]

B) :P :P :P B) Originally posted by tdew@Aug 10 2005, 07:08 AM
Oh but it is the point.* If you work in an airport restaurant, people ARE going to have bags.* I agree that everyone should try to be more considerate of others, but the physical bags are still going to be there.* You have to come to terms with that, because that's where you work.* Unless the restaurants themselves come up with a solution to the problem, it's not going to go away.*

I thought my idea of high stools and high tables, with space underneath for the bags to be placed was a pretty good one.* Some restaurants are using these high square tables just because they are different and interesting.* If the stools could also have bars that people could lock their bags to, everyone could feel secure and the bags would be out of the walkways.* I bet the restaurants could seat a lot more people too.
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[Gesualdo]

You know, the thing that people keep forgetting here is that the original poster said he was stowing a laptop. Who checks that? No one. Why? Because they're too valuable to take chances letting others handle them out of sight. People have lots of reasons not to check some things. Don't forget another alternative is to ship things to yourself, FedEx, with insurance. And before you go anywhere, back up those computer files and keep your software disks separate from the laptop. That way, when your computer disappears, you're not "out of business." Use common sense when you travel.

As for me, would I move my stuff? It depends on what I have that's in the way, and where exactly it is. If I know I'm inconveniencing others because I've ignored the rules, then I probably would move my stuff. And being short, I stow stuff under the seat in front of me before I go overhead. I can protect from pilfering a little better that way. But if for some reason I really needed that overhead space, I would not move it at another passenger's request. And that outburst from her afteward? Definitely does not give me an incentive to reconsider her request!

[travel]

Seems like this topic brings out as much hostility in the forum as it does in the air. I have been the victim of checked bag loss, and until you've been the host of 150 college football fans who have no game tickets on game day because they were in your checked luggage, you haven't seen hostile.

I typically travel with only one carry-on, but on overseas flights or flights where I have lots of things that can't be checked (like football tickets), I will occasionally take two--one that fits in the overhead bin and one that fits under the seat in front of me. I, too, live in an area serviced by regional jets, and I do take advantage of that--gate checking is a Godsend, and it doesn't disturb anyone. Then I can put my very small carryon that fits under the seat in front of me in a small space in the overhead.

Its seems to me that the roots of the whole problem are people's general sense of entitlement, and the airlines' unwillingness to enforce their own rules. I am VERY clear with everyone who travels with me that they need to adhere to the baggage restrictions of the airline, and I remind them--repeatedly--of what those are, and remind them to check again before they zip up their bags in case it has changed. And if they don't follow the rules and are inconvenienced because of it, I tell them they should have listened.

Seems to me that if we were all a little more considerate of others and took responsibility for our own mistakes, everything about air travel would be much more pleasant.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Guest@Sep 4 2005, 08:23 PM
For those of us coming back to a regional airport that is served by only 50 passenger jet at the maximum, there is no reason not to check our bags. I always check my bags. It is inconsiderate of others to try and come on board with too large/many items. It never takes more than 10-15 minutes to get the bags and you don't have to worry about finding space except for your computer.
For the many that have posted that feel they are "entitled" to special accomodation because they have high value items, etc. I respectfully disagree.
What if each of us flying has "$30,000 in Haliburton tools" to maintain control over?
There simply is not enough overhead for evryone to be so priveleged to bring on even 22" roller bags. There are 5-6 seats per row, how could everyone be allowed to bring on the maximum.

I personally, am tired of being delayed in takeoff and then also in deboarding for the person who is bringing on 2-3 items. I have missed connections before because of it.

While we are at it, I am also the guy who will recline the seat, slowly, back to it's maximum.* I too have a laptop and work with it when needed. But I am in an economy coach class and realize it. Apologies to the guy woman behind me who feels they have a right to open their 17-19" laptop screen in flight and not be affected by my right to be comfortable within the confines of my space afforded by the particular airline configuration. I suggest if your need/want is for First class space, then you should get it by paying for it one way or another (cash/mileage/status). If not, then be prepared to abide by the smaller confines of economy.
8507

Wow, your post and that of many in this topic are incredibly hostile!

With regard to the smaller regional airports, some are great and some aren't. I've had intermitable delays, at times, getting my luggage at small airports as well as big ones, and lost luggage there too (it never made it on board from the big airport from which I left). Unless I can't stuff my stuff in my two carry-ons I never check my luggage after those experiences. By the way, there is no first class on those 50 passenger max flights into your airport.

With regard to high value items, you're incorrect. We're not asking for special accomodation. My carry-ons stay within the airlines' rules. The airlines' liability limit is small compared to what many of us must take for our jobs when flying. When I fly I always have my photography equipment and computer equipment in my carry-ons. Aggregately, it's worth about $20,000, far more than the airlines will reimburse me if it's lost, stolen, or damaged, plus how am I going to work if it's missing or broken. Without exception, the airlines tell you to carry these items on board, in your carry-on, and not put them in checked luggage.

I absolutely agree with you about delays because passengers are violating carry-on rules. I would welcome stricter enforcement of their rules, however, if you've actually missed connections because of the delay of a couple of people having to go back to the gate to get their extra piece of luggage, gate checked, then you haven't been particularly wise at choosing an adequate interval between flights. I too have missed connections, but not because of that.

I take two carry-ons with me. Both carry-ons meet all airline size regulations. One is my combo backpack/briefcase (it can be configured either way) which holds my photographic and computer gear, valuables and papers. The other is my wheeled 19" bag which holds my toilet articles, change of clothes, and other important, "can't loose" items. I've had too many occasions with seriously delayed luggage (2-3 days), or damaged luggage to consider not taking these two carry-ons on all flights. If I'm only going for 2 or 3 days that's all I take. If I'm away longer I check a bag.

Generally, on small planes you aren't permitted to take 2 carry-ons into the plane. You have to gate check one which you get back at the gate at your destination. I give them the one with my non-breakables.

When the plane is full, I am perfectly willing to put one item on the floor in front of me, if the airline actually requires everyone to do the same (not withstanding the obnoxious few who flat out refuse to do so, or more likely hide the fact they've refused). I was on a 100% full Alaska Airline flight from Seattle to Anchorage in August. I don't know of any passenger on that flight which didn't comply with this request after seeing so many people not be able to put anything in the overhead bin.

I too will recline my seat, in ecomomy, sometimes to the max, however, I never do it quickly. I don't put it to the max unless I'm going to sleep on a long flight. It's just not necessary. If it's a long flight, especially at night, I'm going to give myself the best chance possible for a restful sleep.

Before we rant about others, we might want to put ourselves in their shoes. We might get a new perspective.

[Willa-Seattle]

Originally posted by Robohobo@Jun 28 2005, 10:58 AM
By the user name you can see that I may travel a bit. I work in service for a company that does industrial robotics, so I have occassion to move about a lot.
You know those roll along small suitcases ubiquitous within the airline world these days? You have seem them, the ones flight attendants started to use years ago and then everyone decided they were a good idea.
I have a suggestion. To make it easier for those of us who choose not to use them, please check the damn things into the luggage hold. Are you really in that much of a hurry or that important that you simply MUST run from the flight/airport?
I recently was on a flight and had loaded my briefcase/laptop/carry-on into the overhead. A woman with one of those things came by, asked me to move my stuff so she could put her suitcase above my head (there were no seats in that area for her) and then I would have to sit the entire flight without enough foot room, just for her convenience so she would not have to check it. As is my perogative, I said "No". This spoiled little twerp blew up and called me the ******* and went off about me in quite lurid terms.
It was my choice to not move my belongings.
The Hobo
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[Ned]

Originally posted by Willa-Seattle@Oct 3 2005, 01:19 PM
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So...Willa from Seattle, you put in a quote and then said nothing, no comment whatsoever! Why bother? We already read the message you quoted.

[blakej]

All airlines clearly let passengers know ahead what is allowed and it is fairly standard. My luggage has been lost many times and is delivered to me several days later usually. My suitcase has to be replaced every few years because of the wear it gets from airlines. :( :(

What really gets me is the amount of people who get on with more than one carry on and handbag........why they get away with it I do not know.....those of you carry special equipment and jems etc, tough luck if it doesn't fit into your one allowable bag then you should be forced to check it or walk. <_<

As for someone asking me to move my carry on case above I would tell them, sorry that's my space talk to someone who has too much stuff. I have seem people come on with what looks to be guitar or oboe cases then get upset with folk putting stuff on top of them. Women are the worst offenders with loads of shopping bags plus the overnight bag and handbag. :angry: :angry:

I have regularly noticed men especially who put their brief case up top near the front of the plane and then proceed to their seat near the bag of the plane. Of course there is the big rush to get up front and out of the plain when it lands. :blink: :blink:



How nice the world would be if we all could learn to follow the rules and consider other people rather than me, me me!

[Ned]

Originally posted by blakej@Oct 3 2005, 11:31 PM
What really gets me is the amount of people who get on with more than one carry on and handbag........why they get away with it I do not know.....those of you carry special equipment and jems etc, tough luck if it doesn't fit into your one allowable bag then you should be forced to check it or walk.
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A carry-on and a handbag? One allowable bag? That's just not what the rules say.

You're allowed a carry-on and a personal item. A personal item can be a purse, briefcase, laptop, small backpack, diaper bag or camera case, etc. according to various US and European airlines. The most restrictive size requirement for the personal item I could find was US Air with a L+W+H total of 36 inches. That's actually quite a sizeable bag. Wide, large computer brief cases and day packs meet that spec. Those of us who travel with expensive equipment, which we need to carry on to the plane, can normally fit our stuff into a typical carry-on and personal item within those specifications.

As mentioned above, I too want the rules more strictly enforced (no one should be able to bring 3 or 4 large carry-ons on board), but your interpretation of the rules just wouldn't work for those of us who travel for business. You asked "why they get away with it I do not know..." Actually the answer is simple, the majority of air travelers don't want the rules enforced and find the rules too restrictive. If the rules were enforced to the letter, the traveling public would start screaming and the rules would change to what people need and desire. I think the rules are far too inconsistent between airlines and some of the rules should be rethought, but I do work within them the best I can.

[Annette]

I bring along 1 carryon and 1 "personal item", which in my case has become my laptop bag. Both bags are within the airline's allowable limits, and my wallet and any other necessary items get put into the laptop case. My carryon goes in the compartment above me, my laptop at my feet. For one thing I don't want to have to get up and dig through the bins to get my laptop, but also frankly I'm not comfortable with it being out of my immediate vicitinty for any amount of time.

[Guest]

Originally posted by Skipster@Jul 21 2005, 02:15 PM
I like John's tip regarding stowing bags ahead of you, in order to keep an eye on them.* That's an excellent idea; I should have thought of that one myself.

I do my level best never to check a bag for three reasons:

* Pilferage by airline employees and TSA staff.

* The airline loses my bags.* I make a point of including a copy of my itinerary (including cell/hotel phone numbers) in case I have to gate check a bag, but when flying offline airlines the risk of someone misplacing my bags increases geometrically.

* I have worked in bagwells at the airport and have seen how callously the bag agents treat bags.* Even when it's easier and faster to place a bag on a belt, they'll raise it above their head and drop it.* It's almost as if they want to see how many of the bag's contents they can break.* Hey, what did that bag ever do to them?

I carry a 22" and a bookbag and can always find room for them.* The only time I've had to gate check a bag is when I'm one of the last passengers boarding an oversold flight and the preceeding passengers have abused the carryon rule and/or size restrictions.
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[The Dude]

Originally posted by Guest@Oct 8 2005, 06:04 PM
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Do you have anything you'd like to add? What is the point in quoting an entire post and adding nothing? If this is a mistake, it seems to happen with increasing frequency. Why not change the programming to reject posts that only have a quote?

[Ned]

Originally posted by The Dude@Oct 10 2005, 01:38 PM
Do you have anything you'd like to add?* What is the point in quoting an entire post and adding nothing?* If this is a mistake, it seems to happen with increasing frequency.* Why not change the programming to reject posts that only have a quote?
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The Dude is absolutely right!

[REDJIM]

This thread is ALL about "critical mass". There are travelers who adhere to the baggage rules religiously, there are travelers who don't, who won't.

If I'm flying with a 60 lb duffle(and I have)and a backpack, the duffle goes into the hold. The backpack stays ABOVE my head. DO NOT ASK ME TO MOVE MY CARRYON! I might just bite you.

[TSA_eyes]

Originally posted by joyceandrews@Aug 10 2005, 01:11 PM
Jeanie,
Ask someone to put it in the overhead for you. But I guess it is more convenient under the seat anyway.
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TSA is not responsible for enforcing airline rules of two bags only. That is not the job that has been entrusted to them. The ticket counter is who needs to be counting bags and telling people they can only carry on two, or how about the gate agent, who can easily gate check a bag if it's over the limit.