View Full Version : Britney......Again
John225
01-04-2008, 10:12 AM
Well, she done did it now! She is currently a patient at Cedars-Sinai Hospital in Los Angeles on a psychatriac evaluation hold. Seems she was supposed to return the 2 kids to the Fed-Ex last night, and she didn't want to, so the cops were called. The "stand off" lasted about 3 hours, and the police report that she appeared to be under the influence of something. JJ, the youngest was also admitted to the ER for several hours, but was released about 4am Pacific time. Evidently she was giving the EMT's some trouble, becuase they had to strap her down, hands and feet, to the gurney in the back of the ambulance!
I also just read on one of the gossip sites that K-Fed's attorney is supposed to be going to court this morning asking that all of her visitation rights be stripped, for the time being. I don't know if I feel sorry for her, or just feel contempt at this point.
Loonbeam
01-04-2008, 10:19 AM
Contempt.
In the beginning of this mess, I might have felt sorry for her, but at this point its not possible for her to be unaware of the consequences of her actions.
jjjenny
01-04-2008, 08:25 PM
What a mess! Those poor children. Are they ever going to have a normal life? If I were in her shoes, I would be doing everything by the book so that I could see my children.
I do feel sorry for Brittney because it seems that everything is not right in her brain. But if that is the case, the court should not ever allow her to be alone with the children.
AaronK
01-04-2008, 08:32 PM
I think Britney needs to be smacked upside the head....
John225
01-04-2008, 08:40 PM
Well, announced late this afternoon that for the time being, she has lost all custody and visitation rights. There is another hearing set for Jan. 14 where the issue will be revisited. The child needs major help.
This is no child. She is an adult. She's 26 years old, and a mother of two children. She's clearly an alcoholic and addict. She certainly needs major help, but until she's ready to accept who she really is as a person, the help will do little good.
The courts are treating her as an adult. Maybe if those around her would have done that as well, in the past, instead of feeding her weaknesses she wouldn't be in the state she is in today. With the court in charge of much of her life now, she has little choice but to shape up or keep dropping deeper into her pit of despair and loss.
Well, announced late this afternoon that for the time being, she has lost all custody and visitation rights. There is another hearing set for Jan. 14 where the issue will be revisited. The child needs major help.
Loonbeam
01-06-2008, 09:57 PM
I didn't think it could get any worse, but now apparently it turns out that Dr. Phil was there at the request of her PARENTS not her, and her parents will be appearing on his show to TALK ABOUT THEIR DAUGHTER...
Gah.
It will actually be interesting to see what's said. If Britney doesn't want Dr. Phil to talk about it publicly, he can't. If he does, it many mean something else, but to me it will sound like an attorney's strategy to help her get the kids back, rather than actually get help for herself.
I didn't think it could get any worse, but now apparently it turns out that Dr. Phil was there at the request of her PARENTS not her, and her parents will be appearing on his show to TALK ABOUT THEIR DAUGHTER...
Gah.
jfrenaye
01-06-2008, 10:41 PM
I would also think that if she was declared incompetent and her parents were named a guardian ad-litum they might be able to talk without her consent.
While that's certainly true, I would suspect we would have heard about that in the news by now. Even if she were totally strung out on drugs, it would be very hard to have her declared incompetent without her consent. The courts are very reluctant to make such declarations these days, at least in this area.
I would also think that if she was declared incompetent and her parents were named a guardian ad-litum they might be able to talk without her consent.
Loonbeam
01-07-2008, 01:00 AM
Actually, if he was never retained by her, no Dr-Patient relationship exists, and therefore no privacy (speaking legally, not ethically). And he is welcome to ask the parents anything he wants, if THEY say it, 3rd party applies and he can then posit to his hearts content...
It will actually be interesting to see what's said. If Britney doesn't want Dr. Phil to talk about it publicly, he can't. If he does, it many mean something else, but to me it will sound like an attorney's strategy to help her get the kids back, rather than actually get help for herself.
Being "retained," generally implies a business relationship, and it's not necessary to have a business relationship between a doctor and a patient to make the doctor/patient relationship exist, which brings in all those privacy issues.
States don't use the same language, but normally there must be a bona fide "doctor-patient relationship" between individuals and a physician before any duty of confidentiality is created. That being said, all that is required, generally speaking, is individuals must voluntarily seek advice or treatment from the doctor, and have an expectation that the communication will be held in confidence. This expectation of confidentiality does not need to be expressed. It is implied from the circumstances.
Therefore, when Britney and Dr. Phil spoke together for more than an hour, if we assume they were talking about her mental condition, and according to Dr. Phil they were, Dr. Phil must keep any information he has ascertained from that conversation private, unless Britney releases him to discuss it publicly. In fact, he can't even discuss it with her parents, without a release to do so from Britney. By the way, in most states, if not all states, even if a 3rd party is in the room and hears the conversation between doctor and patient, the doctor is still bound to hold that information private and confidential while the 3rd party is blabbing it to the world.
On the other hand, you are quite right, that information Dr. Phil has gleaned from public sources, or other people about Britney, is generally considered to be outside of the doctor/patient relationship, although in some states, with their specific laws, this is becoming a very grey area.
In my own state of PA, we have an express physician-patient privilege limited to civil matter only. In criminal matters, according to the state, there is no doctor/patient confidentiality.
There are many exceptions to doctor/patient confidentiality, however, I don't know of one for TV ratings.
Actually, if he was never retained by her, no Dr-Patient relationship exists, and therefore no privacy (speaking legally, not ethically). And he is welcome to ask the parents anything he wants, if THEY say it, 3rd party applies and he can then posit to his hearts content...
Loonbeam
01-07-2008, 10:34 AM
From everything I have seen however, they never actually spoke on a professional level.. All reports are indicating he came at her parents request, but simply badgered her, she never responded, or she tried to avoid him.
I have to admit, I'm finding myself in train wreck mode over this story, I keep reading to see how much worse it can get... The current rumor is that since her last batch of lawyers left, she's going to go it alone. Oh, I want to read the transcripts on that!
There's an off-broadway 'Legally Blonder' joke somewhere here, but I can't seem to make it work... Any takers?
Loonbeam
01-07-2008, 10:49 AM
By Howard Gensler
Philadelphia Daily News
"DR. PHIL" McGraw may not be affiliated with Cedars-Sinai Medical Center, but that didn't stop the berating TV shrink from making rounds Saturday and stopping by the room of troubled Britney Spears just as she was being released. After a brief "session" with Spears, he gave his diagnosis to those key treatment facilities for the mentally unbalanced, "Entertainment Tonight" and "The Insider."
"My meeting with Britney and some family members this morning in her room at Cedars leaves me convinced more than ever that she is in dire need of both medical and psychological intervention," McGraw said.
No s---, Sherlock.
We've been saying that for ages, where's our TV show?
"She was released moments before my arrival and was packing when I entered the room. We visited for about an hour before I walked with her to her car. I am very concerned for her," he said.
Quick-diagnosis McGraw hoped to talk more to the freak-show circus act Spears has become on his daily yak-fest this week because surely what Britney needs more than anything else is to air her problems on national television and be pseudo-treated as a ratings stunt.
* That was the "good" "doctor's"
side of the story.
TMZ.com reports Dr. Phil arrived at Cedars about 7:30 a.m. Saturday at the behest of Brit's parents and blindsided Britney.
TMZ.com sources say that McGraw spoke with her for only 15 minutes and that she wanted no part of it - probably the first wise decision she's made in ages.
According to TMZ.com, Dr. Phil will tape a show today (to air tomorrow) with Brit's mom and dad, but, as one source put it, "Based on the interaction between Dr. Phil and Britney this morning, it'll be a cold day in hell before Britney goes on his show."
As for what Cedars was thinking about letting a TV doctor talk with a patient without her invitation, the hospital's response was a simple "No comment."
A "Dr. Phil" rep, meanwhile, said "Dr. Phil met with Ms. Spears at family members' invitation."
So? Shocking as her behavior is sometimes, she is an adult.
L., Howard Gensler's column? He's the shlock artist who writes their "Tattles" column. I trust him about as much as Dr. Phil, which is not at all. Dr. Phil is all about making money for himself these days. He's so full of himself it's amazing. Gensler, in my humble opinion, is essentially the Daily News' reporter from the National Enquirer. If a story's not juicy enough, he'll pump it up.
Loonbeam
01-07-2008, 11:28 AM
There's enough corroboration out there that I'll believe the meat of the story, that her parents sent in the Phil-minator as opposed to her asking for him (in reality, I can't see her asking for ANY help). This is the same mom who sold her sisters pregnancy to OK! for approximately 1 million dollars, after all.
To the point though, if her PARENTS requested the visit, and she refused to speak, she definitely has no expectation of client privacy on a legal basis. Again, ethically is another matter, but an ethical doctor would also not consider making her parents the basis for a SHOW.
Yep, as I said, Dr. Phil is about ratings and money these days, and hobnobbing too.
There's enough corroboration out there that I'll believe the meat of the story, that her parents sent in the Phil-minator as opposed to her asking for him (in reality, I can't see her asking for ANY help). This is the same mom who sold her sisters pregnancy to OK! for approximately 1 million dollars, after all.
To the point though, if her PARENTS requested the visit, and she refused to speak, she definitely has no expectation of client privacy on a legal basis. Again, ethically is another matter, but an ethical doctor would also not consider making her parents the basis for a SHOW.
jfrenaye
01-07-2008, 07:00 PM
Well, it was only a matter of time......
http://www.whenisbritneygoingtodie.com/
Enter and you can win a PS3. I am down for late March!
Damn, that's disgusting!:mad:
Well, it was only a matter of time......
http://www.whenisbritneygoingtodie.com/
Enter and you can win a PS3. I am down for late March!
Loonbeam
01-07-2008, 11:09 PM
Not only that, according to my friends at CERT, its a spam harvester, they sell their info.
tiffani
01-08-2008, 08:11 AM
To tell you the truth, I feel really sorry for Britney. and her children also... I have always thought that being rich and famous does not give you everything, and if you are not strong enough to keep to your principles and to stay human in the first place, you end up like this. Sure, there is a way out even of her situation, but it will be a challenge and i'm not sure she'll cope... wish her all the best though..
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NBC news has reported that Britney Spears was taken from her home by ambulance this morning and escorted to the hospital by more than a dozen police officers in cars, on motorcycles and in helicopters.
She is in the psychiatric wing of the UCLA Medical Center. According to NBC News she'll be in there for at least 72 hours getting evaluated, and she could be confined to the hospital for a longer time if necessary.
AaronK
01-31-2008, 05:11 PM
Not that I am a Britney fan, but I hope she gets the help she needs.
Loonbeam
01-31-2008, 05:12 PM
"than a dozen police officers in cars, on motorcycles and in helicopters."
Hopefully someone bills her for this. Helicopters alone cost a LOT to operate. When I did my police ridealong, I was told that just my added weight cost $40 in fuel..
the dark knight
01-31-2008, 05:22 PM
Honestly, I think that they need to lock Britney away in a hospital until she can function as a coherent, sober, drug-free and sane human being again. That isn't going to happen in 30 days, or 60 days, or even 6 months, if it ever happens. That is clear to all.
She needs to forget being a artist and a celebrity. She needs to forget trying to be a mother, which she is clearly not prepared nor equipped for, nor seems to be that interested in doing in the first place.
She needs to get herself together first, for her own sake, then for her children's and family's sake, and so on. If she can do all that, then, and only then should she even consider trying to revive her music career, which seems to be toast already.
Her parents may care about her, but they have already done more than enough to mess up the lives of Britney and her sister but their pathetic attempts at parenting and the example they set for them.
The newsgroups that feed this mania should be ashamed, too. I am tired to hearing about it all. I feel bad for Britney's sister, who had no real role models in her house, and now has screwed up her life before it started. Still, she is 16, and is old enough to know better and know good from bad. I feel worse for Britney's two little boys, who cannot defend themselves, and who will have this hanging around their necks for life. We won't start about their dad...but at least he is there for them.
These boys are the only innocent ones in this, and they are (and will) ultimately pay the biggest price at the end of the day.
mtp51
01-31-2008, 09:08 PM
why in the world does she need that type of escort? what a sad little tale......
jfrenaye
01-31-2008, 09:27 PM
why in the world does she need that type of escort? what a sad little tale......
Really Marge---I mean it is not like she is Paris Hilton or anything! :)
I was just reading some gossip site and they say that she has been classified as GD which means she is unable to take care of her basic necessities. It is a first step for involuntary commitment.
This will be interesting!
And in other gossip (albeit travel related) news, apparently a the DUtch have solved the Natalee Holloway case and all three guys (Kalpoes and Vanderrsloot) have been re arrested again. Supposed to air on Dutch TV tonight
Kairho
02-01-2008, 08:19 AM
why in the world does she need that type of escort? what a sad little tale......
I also originally thought that ... until it was pointed out that the escort was not for her specifically but rather to keep those idiot paparazzi at a distance, avoid crowd and traffic incidents, and allow the ambulance to proceed safely.
My question is why an ambulance? Everyone else would just drive her to the hospital. Not like she was bleeding out or anything.
deangreenhoe
02-01-2008, 08:39 AM
My question is why an ambulance? Everyone else would just drive her to the hospital. Not like she was bleeding out or anything.
Dr. Phil's sedan was in the shop. Besides, an ambulance with flashing lights makes much better TV. Drama!
I'm in the category of really becoming tired of this crap with Britney, et. al. You can't escape it since they report every detail right there with the real broadcast news. They should put all of that kind of stuff in a designated scheduled time frame so we can be alerted to mute our televisions. :cool:
Loonbeam
02-01-2008, 09:51 AM
Here's the worst part. The whole convoy was pre-arranged! It wasn't like someone called for medical/police assistance, this was set up many hours in advance!
The next time I go in for an Upper GI, I want to be able to book an ambulance and police escort!
deangreenhoe
02-01-2008, 10:08 AM
The next time I go in for an Upper GI, I want to be able to book an ambulance and police escort!
I have a medi-vac service reserved to chopper me to a dentist appointment next week. Still waiting to see if I can get the National Guard Airborne Division to fly in formation along side.
mtp51
02-02-2008, 09:21 AM
I have a medi-vac service reserved to chopper me to a dentist appointment next week. Still waiting to see if I can get the National Guard Airborne Division to fly in formation along side.
I'll engage the Scottville Clown Band to join your entourage! Britney ain't got nothin' on you, your Deanness.